"Where the application is losing its appeal (for me) is the amount of people that shout out about how many followers they have, or how many more they need to reach 500, or 1,000, or something similar."
Amen. I'm quite proud of my low following/followers number. I try to be selective in who I follow. I see it as a way to connect with like-minded people. I couldn't imagine how difficult it must be to keep up with a stream of 5,000 followers. I would think that it would lose its purpose.
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Danny
· 1 year ago
Hi Josh,
Exactly. I know there are some people that will always have so many thousand followers on various apps, but like you say, doesn't it lose the intimacy of the connection? With 5,000 or 10,000 followers, how can you possibly keep up with all that's being said or recommended?
I feel this is where there's an excellent opportunity for someone to step in and make a more selective, business-oriented application. Yammer is a start, but it needs more.
Thanks for reading and commenting, appreciate it.
George Cozma
· 1 year ago
The way I see it, elitism is a natural condition for humanity. The fact that up until now, this phenomenon was mostly absent from Twitter only shows how far on the quality ladder this website used to be. Now it's simply moving to mainstream.
Hmm... didn't this comment sound a bit elitistic? :P
Having lots of followers, or few, is a personal choice, and having thousands of people you follow is quite easy if you don't feel the need to read every single tweet.
I use Tweetdeck to keep track of my followers.
I also don't see the big deal in announcing your 500th follower, or you 500th tweet. It's a milestone, a fun little blip to shout out. I have a problem with people who shout out everything they do business-wise and never interact, but what you're talking about doesn't bother me (even though I don't do it).
I also don't have followers/followees that do that. So it might be a different crowd thing. Most of my twitter friends are mid-20's and up.
Danny
· 1 year ago
@ George - I guess that's the price we have to pay for popularity. Although it can still be "controlled" (for wont of a better word) by the users - i.e., un-following. ;-)
@ Amber - I agree with your point about a shout out for personal pleasure - it's more the ones who keep shouting out "follow me to become my 500th" or similar. Perhaps what's needed is a different model for business-oriented Twitter users (as I mentioned in my response to Josh) - that way those that really want to interact will, and those that don't won't. :)
Thanks for reading and commenting, guys.
The Lovable Rogue
· 1 year ago
I guess it depends what you're after; popularity or utility. As I see it, Twitter has ridiculous potential for creating effective networks within an industry. Conversely, it can be used in a similar manner to the traditional televisual media; i.e. create huge networks and then 'shout' at them. At the end of the day, it depends on the intended outcome. If you want more qualified solutions, then smaller more personalised networks seem to be the way forward. Alternately, if you are simply trying to raise 'brand' awareness, then reach may be more beneficial. Twitter is an interesting tool, and although i'm still reasonably new to it, I think that it holds real potential as an organisational tool.
I think this is the problem facing the majority of social media sites and networking, Chris (and one which you touched upon well with your last blog post). While there will always be the new excitement of finding a new toy to play with and watching it grow - which there is nothing wrong with - it gets to the point where it's a case of "okay, I want more readers/followers, etc, than that person".
It's what put me off traditional media such as the one you mentioned, as well as unsubscribing from a lot of Twitterers (many of whom I have a lot of respect for, but please - enough with the self-promotion!).
As businesses and other types of non-traditional users get to grips more with what social media can offer, I think there will be a definite division in the type of apps available. I'm hoping it's for the better...
Thanks as always for reading and sharing your views.
Susan Murphy
· 1 year ago
I don't think there's anything wrong with having lots of followers if that's what you want to do. I also don't have a problem with people tweeting about how many followers they have (I've done it myself) - but it's really about the intention with which they do it. I tweeted about my 5000th tweet the other day because, as Amber pointed out, it's something of a milestone. I did the whole thing rather jokingly (had a Twitter party, goofed around about being poetic) and it was a fun little interaction to break up the day. No harm done, and I don't think I was perceived as being elitist. At least I hope not!
You have a very good point, though. There are people lurking about Twitter who are there to only serve their own purposes all the time. The ones who ONLY post links to their blog or their company's web site yet don't make any other contribution to the community. Sure, everyone is there to promote something and I see nothing wrong with that. But in addition to shilling their wares, people should make an effort promote others, say something genuine, and just interact. Isn't that really what it's all about?
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Dominic Campbell
· 1 year ago
Great post Danny and great comment Susan - couldn't agree more! Its about time people started saying these things...
In its worst form social media land is essentially just a faster forming, deeper form of the offline phenonmenon of cliques, tribalism and self-promotion. Particularly as it has been turbo charged by some rather cynical PR types (not to say all people in PR are this way though, don't get me wrong!).
(As an aside, the irony that your blog theme is "by: Elite Theme" did make me chuckle!)
I have found it an interesting journey getting into this social media world. I have joined a lot of the online communities I belong to as a way of connecting to others, but it is so easy to get swept up by the popularity contests! How many Facebook friends, how many followers, how many people read my blog, etc.
I find I am enjoying the mental gymnastics of trying to self-promote without being a pain. I organize events, I perform, so I try to get that info out in as many diverse ways as I can, while still trying to be modest little community minded me!
I guess it is really an extension of our personalities - actual or created for our online presences. So maybe we need to think about what we are projecting in every facet o8f our lives.
Okay breakfast calls - but thanks for the thoughtful post!
Sorry I missed the Twitter party for your 5000 tweet!
@ Susan. That's a very valid point, Susan. I think the main problem is that there is such a fine line to tread when it comes to genuine pride and self-promoting shouts for the sake of it. The people I mentioned I had stopped following were the ones that kept posting only their blog links, or their Twitter Grader score, etc. As you say, being happy that people genuinely want to follow you and are interested in what you say is fine - but make sure you also contribute to the community as a whole, and not just use it to further your own needs.
@ Dominic. I agree, and I think it's an extension of what Halyma mentions in her response. The thing with social media (and any online form of communication, I guess) is that it is just an extension of our offline personas - the personality we are in "real life" will naturally be carried over to our online equivalent. Which makes me wonder what some people are like offline. And I agree with your cynical PR statement - this is something that both myself and my contemporaries need to address and change. Hopefully the more sharing aspect of social media will enable this. And good shout about the theme - definitely ironic! ;-)
@ Halyma: I think the "issue" of online popularity contests probably stems from the similar pressure offline - you need to hang with the cool crowd t school, you need to dress a certain way or drive a certain car to be accepted. Hopefully as social media grows and matures, the real sharing aspect of it will come further to the fore, and the false "friends at all costs" aspect will dwindle. With regards sharing information about events you're organizing, this is the ideal medium for that and is exactly what social media should be. As Susan mentions, actively participating in the community is what it's all about. :)
Thanks for reading and sharing some excellent comments, guys, appreciate it.
Simon Salt
· 1 year ago
I think that one element that is missing from the posts regarding "popularity" online, and I have been guilty of missing this element as much as anyone else is the sense that "Social Media" is the next big thing, it is going to be the "Killer App" for 2009. Already people are predicting that Social Media Consultant will be the hot job of next year. By garnering a large following, increasing blog readership, people are trying to shore up the position as a Social Media "expert". Whether that is within an existing role at a company, in the hopes to make the leap to a new company or as an additional string to their bow to make their existing offering more attractive. In just the same way as SEO started showing up on just about every website as a service offering, from CopyWriters to Web Designers to Marketing Consultants everyone suddenly had the ability to be an SEO expert. 2009 will see everyone who has a Twitter account become a Social Media expert. What will they all be in 2010?
Danny
· 1 year ago
Good points and very valid, Simon.
While people may be trying to add as much as possible to make them the "social media consultant for Business X", they'll quickly be found out when it comes down to actually following up on that claim.
Having a Twitter account and Facebook profile does not a social media expert make - something many people are already being found out on... ;-)
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Amen. I'm quite proud of my low following/followers number. I try to be selective in who I follow. I see it as a way to connect with like-minded people. I couldn't imagine how difficult it must be to keep up with a stream of 5,000 followers. I would think that it would lose its purpose.
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Exactly. I know there are some people that will always have so many thousand followers on various apps, but like you say, doesn't it lose the intimacy of the connection? With 5,000 or 10,000 followers, how can you possibly keep up with all that's being said or recommended?
I feel this is where there's an excellent opportunity for someone to step in and make a more selective, business-oriented application. Yammer is a start, but it needs more.
Thanks for reading and commenting, appreciate it.
Hmm... didn't this comment sound a bit elitistic? :P
Regards, George
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I use Tweetdeck to keep track of my followers.
I also don't see the big deal in announcing your 500th follower, or you 500th tweet. It's a milestone, a fun little blip to shout out. I have a problem with people who shout out everything they do business-wise and never interact, but what you're talking about doesn't bother me (even though I don't do it).
I also don't have followers/followees that do that. So it might be a different crowd thing. Most of my twitter friends are mid-20's and up.
@ Amber - I agree with your point about a shout out for personal pleasure - it's more the ones who keep shouting out "follow me to become my 500th" or similar. Perhaps what's needed is a different model for business-oriented Twitter users (as I mentioned in my response to Josh) - that way those that really want to interact will, and those that don't won't. :)
Thanks for reading and commenting, guys.
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It's what put me off traditional media such as the one you mentioned, as well as unsubscribing from a lot of Twitterers (many of whom I have a lot of respect for, but please - enough with the self-promotion!).
As businesses and other types of non-traditional users get to grips more with what social media can offer, I think there will be a definite division in the type of apps available. I'm hoping it's for the better...
Thanks as always for reading and sharing your views.
You have a very good point, though. There are people lurking about Twitter who are there to only serve their own purposes all the time. The ones who ONLY post links to their blog or their company's web site yet don't make any other contribution to the community. Sure, everyone is there to promote something and I see nothing wrong with that. But in addition to shilling their wares, people should make an effort promote others, say something genuine, and just interact. Isn't that really what it's all about?
<abbr>Susan Murphy´s last blog post..Why I Blog</abbr>
In its worst form social media land is essentially just a faster forming, deeper form of the offline phenonmenon of cliques, tribalism and self-promotion. Particularly as it has been turbo charged by some rather cynical PR types (not to say all people in PR are this way though, don't get me wrong!).
(As an aside, the irony that your blog theme is "by: Elite Theme" did make me chuckle!)
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I find I am enjoying the mental gymnastics of trying to self-promote without being a pain. I organize events, I perform, so I try to get that info out in as many diverse ways as I can, while still trying to be modest little community minded me!
I guess it is really an extension of our personalities - actual or created for our online presences. So maybe we need to think about what we are projecting in every facet o8f our lives.
Okay breakfast calls - but thanks for the thoughtful post!
Sorry I missed the Twitter party for your 5000 tweet!
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@ Dominic. I agree, and I think it's an extension of what Halyma mentions in her response. The thing with social media (and any online form of communication, I guess) is that it is just an extension of our offline personas - the personality we are in "real life" will naturally be carried over to our online equivalent. Which makes me wonder what some people are like offline. And I agree with your cynical PR statement - this is something that both myself and my contemporaries need to address and change. Hopefully the more sharing aspect of social media will enable this. And good shout about the theme - definitely ironic! ;-)
@ Halyma: I think the "issue" of online popularity contests probably stems from the similar pressure offline - you need to hang with the cool crowd t school, you need to dress a certain way or drive a certain car to be accepted. Hopefully as social media grows and matures, the real sharing aspect of it will come further to the fore, and the false "friends at all costs" aspect will dwindle. With regards sharing information about events you're organizing, this is the ideal medium for that and is exactly what social media should be. As Susan mentions, actively participating in the community is what it's all about. :)
Thanks for reading and sharing some excellent comments, guys, appreciate it.
By garnering a large following, increasing blog readership, people are trying to shore up the position as a Social Media "expert". Whether that is within an existing role at a company, in the hopes to make the leap to a new company or as an additional string to their bow to make their existing offering more attractive. In just the same way as SEO started showing up on just about every website as a service offering, from CopyWriters to Web Designers to Marketing Consultants everyone suddenly had the ability to be an SEO expert.
2009 will see everyone who has a Twitter account become a Social Media expert. What will they all be in 2010?
While people may be trying to add as much as possible to make them the "social media consultant for Business X", they'll quickly be found out when it comes down to actually following up on that claim.
Having a Twitter account and Facebook profile does not a social media expert make - something many people are already being found out on... ;-)
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your insights.